Helium outdoor device

@FreeShkreli oh and don’t forget about halving coming Aug 1st

@FreeShkreli are your deployments in businesses you have connection with? Fsmily/friends? I am needing advice on how i can cold pitch businesses into the idea of letting me set up a deployment. I feel like most people will be worried about wifi security or have no clue about blockchain, web.3, or DePIN. And I'm not a good salesman haha

@FreeShkreli yes I have thought about that to. Would it still be worth it to set up new deployments?

@FreeShkreli thank you for the awesome advice and the time to explain every detail thanks much

@JAMBAJUICE good question re: would I buy now, since the only relevant question is how to act today and not how last year went. I’ll answer your other Q in a separate reply.

Scenarios where I’d place Helium Mobile Indoor (HMI) unit(s) today:
- If I didn’t know how to setup an access point properly on a network (I do but many don’t) and wanted fairly straightforward “plug it in and earn tokens” usability then place an HMI on a non-residential, indoor location with moderate footfall and dwell time such as a bar, busy retail, or restaurant.
- Residential location in a 1.0x boosted location if you just want to collect around 75 cents a day or so lately for the PoC $. HMIs are averaging around 0.3-0.35 $HNT per day but that’s fallen from around 0.4 just a few weeks ago as the value of $HNT fell the past few weeks. This is because fewer $HNT rewards go towards PoC because data offload is calculated in flat rate USD per GB and thus paid data gobbles up more daily $HNT emissions when $HNT gets cheaper in USD terms.
- Basically the HMI is a cheaper way to get in the game of passing data via Passpoint with multiple carriers if you have a decent location likely to be approved for carrier offload and you expect to earn more with passing GBs vs harvesting PoC.

Scenarios where I’d place Helium Mobile Outdoor (HMO) units today:
- If I didn’t know how to setup an access point properly on a network (I do but many don’t) and wanted fairly straightforward “plug it in and earn tokens” usability then place an HMI on a non-residential, outdoor location with moderate or better footfall and dwell time such as a bar, busy retail, or restaurant. Think: walkable, human-scale streets, across the street from a park, etc.
- I place three HMO in a residential location surrounded by a 1.0x boost to collect PoC. You can stagger them by 120 degrees to get full coverage using three units. Duplicated coverage’s value for PoC is cut in half, so I’m not doing more than three anymore in a single location, and if it weren’t for the PoC I’d probably only have one HMO in each location. HMO in a 1.0x boost earn around $3 a day lately just from the PoC $. HMOs are averaging around 1.3-1.55 $HNT per day but that’s fallen from around 1.6 just a few weeks ago as the value of $HNT fell the past few weeks. This is because fewer $HNT rewards go towards PoC because data offload is calculated in flat rate USD per GB and thus paid data gobbles up more daily $HNT emissions when $HNT gets cheaper in USD terms.
- Remember that you can place a HMO inside. Just because it’s “outdoor” doesn’t mean it needs to be outdoors… think of it as a PoC coverage spreading thing more than anything else because Helium will approve (or not approve) HMIs and HMOs for carrier offload equally randomly lately in my experience.

And the third option that many of you guys aren’t considering is XNET.

FYI I’m on the XNET Mobile Working Group but they don’t pay me so I don’t see me talking them up as a conflict of interest but it’s worth mentioning.

I have some good non-residential locations stacked with both HMOs and XNET APs. XNET only allows non-residential coverage so literally don’t try this at home lol.

I only do XNET where I think I can get at least a minimum of 3GB every 2 weeks, mostly over AT&T (which is not hard) since they have a direct deal with AT&T for Passpoint offload. The reason I say 3GB+ per 2 week epoch is because that earns you a share of the pool of $XNET that’s allocated to paying for what’s essentially PoC… it encourages smaller deployers to get into it because it makes the ROI a no-brainer on their less expensive hardware. For example I earned a little over $200 this last 2 week epoch using an XP6-Pro (just an Alta AP6-Pro with XNET firmware added) that only cost me like $200ish and this was in a 30-ish seat strip mall restaurant. I also had HMOs up in the ceiling at that location, too, until 2 of them randomly dropped off and I have to physically go over there and pass some Helium Mobile data over it or return it if one or both got bricked by their screwed up firmware update a few weeks ago. Btw that took out something like 4-6% of my HMOs which I’ll find out as I physically go to the last locations and see what’s wrong with them. ANYWAYS…

If you don’t know anything about, say, setting up your home’s router then I would not recommend XNET unless you can at least learn the basics of network setup. It’s not quite as plug-in-and-earn-immediately as Helium. Sometimes you will have to reach out to support or do a web search to figure out why your AP isn’t passing data. But on the plus side you are buying hardware that’s not locked into a project like with Helium, so if you spend $500 on a HMO and don’t do well then you better hope they didn’t become outdated hardware and selling for parts value like FreedomFi 5G CBRS gateways are today. You could sell, say, your two XP6-Pros that cost $500 as AP6-Pros which is the box they come in and get a good portion of that back on eBay or wherever since they’re useful hardware even not earning crypto. I’ll leave out the link to buy XNET gear because it’s not sold through HeliumDeploy.com and if you can’t find where to buy them then you’re probably not clever enough to set one up!

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@FreeShkreli also be sure to consider the fact that $HNT emissions are halving on August 1st 2025 so if you’re considering buying units to rely mostly on their PoC that’s gonna come down a lot in 6 weeks from now.

@JAMBAJUICE re: are your deployments in businesses you have connection with? Fsmily/friends?

Yep I started with friends that live in 0.7+ PoC areas and pay them 25% denominated in USD since it removes the hesitation most normal people have in dealing with crypto. Some deployers pay more or less (20% seems common) but others just pitch from the “better cell phone connectivity” angle and/or that they’ll pay for having a separate broadband wired connection or even Starlink if it’s on, say, a food truck with a permanent location but no ability to have wired backhaul.

re: I am needing advice on how i can cold pitch businesses into the idea of letting me set up a deployment.

Get excited about it and it’s contagious. I started scaling up just by asking a good friend if I could keep a few crypto miners in his closet that take almost no power and then surprised him with a couple hundred bucks a few months later which was his 25% cut. Then word spread.

re: I feel like most people will be worried about wifi security or have no clue about blockchain, web.3, or DePIN.

I’m shocked at how almost everyone I talk with that comes through a friend’s recommendation (some friends get a cut of that 25% total I pay out between host and referrer, btw) has NO IDEA that they shouldn’t let some person they barely know connect some mystery box hardware to their network. They’re lucky I’m careful about it but honestly it’s baffling to me with the lack of any pushback. Just ask.

re: And I'm not a good salesman haha

GET EXCITED. It’s contagious. I bring in hundreds a day on average over the past 2 years, and several of my friends have each earned 4 figures for doing almost nothing. It’s worth getting excited about and that’s contagious, simple as. Try to not promise dollar amounts though because setting expectations is a bummer when things like this past few weeks of $HNT going down like 40% happen.. they should see it as basically free money and not as reliable income.