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Selling my 3 Helium 5G Outdoor - CA

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‘only rewarded with users who hasn’t gone over their monthly limit’

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FOR SALE

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Digi

@Digi added a new miner

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rayyork

Viral Moment Turns into big rewards for Helium Hotspot Deployer

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DePIN Tracker Question

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@mheino778+bbc047f6 added a new miner

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Appydepin

Helium mobile outdoor install question.

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Am I crazy....

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helium mobile is absolute donkey 💩now

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A barbershop? WOW that’s a power move

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8 months ago

Deploying a HM Indoor unit at a solid foot traffic/dwell time business such as a barber shop is probably the best ROI you can get in DePIN right now.

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9 months ago

I typed up a “wwyd” covering this question. It’s not even 2 months old and I’d tweak it a little based on new things I’ve learned + the Helium PoC halving on August 1st (yes, tomorrow) but it’s a good overview.

tl;dr: Place both, see which do better (varies by location). Several amazing locations, or 10+ OK ones? Read up on brownfield and multiple Passpoint-based projects to split traffic between APs.

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9 months ago

I don't know I love helium before but if you have a location that making data why are your HIPS rules hit the little guy in the country.. if XNET is better and wants a secured network with speed and get rewarded sign me up…

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9 months ago

From my many Moken meetings I've attended I know Maknbank runs both and he always talks about his experience with Xnet. Who makes more? It really depends on the traffic. Helium does have both ATT & TMobile ( I can attest to that) and Xnet only has ATT as their main carrier. But one thing that Maknbank says time and time again is that Xnet's payouts are much greater. Me personally I have 4 deployments in businesses with Helium hardware, but want to start deploying Xnet soon (I already have the hardware just need the host). I will say this for sure DO NOT deploy both in one location, one will suffer over the other, unless its a large building or with multiple floors where you can take advantage of the space and capture traffic separately. Just my 2 cents, hope this helps 🤘

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9 months ago

@Must_Stash_Crypto hit me up I'm in the point to change equipment to many HIPS on there ecosystem.

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9 months ago

@Must_Stash_Crypto I would disagree with not deploying both in one location, at least long enough to get a feel for traffic and earnings potential. But your main point not to leave both is correct unless you’re knowledgeable enough to split traffic between APs.

Oh and FYI I believe that T-Mobile only picks up Helium Mobile indoor APs and not outdoor ones. Act accordingly since they’re a huge carrier!

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9 months ago

@FreeShkreli As you said, unless your knowledgeable about the traffic and AP's, which he clearly is not I wouldnt do both. If he has the funds and time he could definitely play with it. With Helium taking forever to assert carrier offloading, xnet might start earning him rewards weeks before his helium Hotspot is even considered for offloading, but if he is trying to choose one over the other thats a different story. And I wasn't aware that Tmobile doesn't pick up outdoors, thats good to know and a tragedy as well. One of my locations is an outdoor unit at an outdoor flea market that gets so congested at times the reception suffers. Thus why I put one there.

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8 months ago

I run both in a commercial location (retail/office). Helium outdoor did well with POC and some data provided via Helium mobile. Put up Xnet outdoor and it did great (ATT is huge in my area) 5000 Xnet per month. That all changed when Helium added ATT data offload. I saw a huge spike Helium data and I was pretty fired up until I got my Xnet rewards for the same period and rewards were down to 500 Xnet. While I can’t get confirmation from XNET but I believe the Helium unit is sucking up all ATT data offload and crushing the XNET unit and effectively canceling it out. It is my understanding the XNET’s only souce of revenue is the ATT data offload. Again, this only my opinion based on N=1 observation. It has been three months and XNET rewards have not recovered. The XNET hotspot has had 100% uptime over this time period and I think it has very slightly better install.

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9 months ago

@Wagonmeister thanks for sharing your experience, it sounds a lot like mine. A few more variables worth mentioning:

  1. XNET has some MVNOs but yep just one MNO, AT&T.

  2. They just launched Wi-Fi 7 gear which is a big step yo from Wi-Fi 6 QOS and is a differentiating factor vs Helium for now. Not sure if Hellum is onboarding Wi-Fi 7 as brownfield yet but their current branded APs are both 6.

  3. According to XNET’s monthly x.com space yesterday they got approval from AT&T to manage their own phone book meeting they control approval for APs and don't have to wait on AT&T so that's an advantage over helium.

  4. I can't understate how big of a deal it is for them not to have another MNO like helium does so that's worth mentioning twice… I wish it were easier to split traffic but then again it's not a secret on how to do it, just a hassle and some trial and error at worst

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8 months ago

@FreeShkreli I hate typing on a phone not even going to bother to fix the typos above

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8 months ago

I know JD touched on it during one of his Spaces. It is a newer project so I would hope the rewards would akin to the early days of Helium. I am looking into it too. I wonder, can you deploy both a Helium and XNET in the same location? Might be wise to hedge your bets and use both. Maybe TMO would choose Helium to offload, and ATnT would use XNET.

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9 months ago

I'm only invested in Helium, and it's been profitable. I'm not familiar with XNET.

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9 months ago

@elfotoguy+8cc59274 I feel like the XNET team hypes up a lot of stuff that they “should” “could” do but nothing really happens lol. While Helium Hypes a lot of things and then 50% of it happens Hahah

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9 months ago

Very good question… I’m very curious to see what the community thinks. I don’t know much about how XNET works but I feel I’d pick Helium here.

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9 months ago

@DepinMasterMind hopefully we get more input on the question. Just sorta tired of the continuous technical issue and rebooting WiFi hotspots with Helium.

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9 months ago

@coldtrane06 Yeah that makes sense, have you considered Wayru?

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9 months ago

@DepinMasterMind never really gave it a thought. Gonna do my due diligence on it. I’ve seen some YouTube videos on it in the past though. Just thought Helium was the top dog

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9 months ago

Hivemapper MIPalooza. 4 new MIPs...good or bad?

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Hivemapper released 4 MIPs today:

MIP-21: bye-bye side cameras

They are turning off side-mounted cameras. Currently Bee is only allowed to be mounted in the front and your old HDC or HDC-S can go on the side. Once Hivemapper made that annoucement most people could see the writing on the wall that side cameras would be fully disabled.

This will likely have some detrimental effect on region progress scores, which also means rewards could drop for the front camera as well, just due to less activity in each region.

https://medium.com/hivemapper-foundation/map-improvement-proposal-21-mip-21-26be0ceb7458

MIP-22: no more AI trainer reward pool

Previously all of the annotation tasks were done manually by humans and around the start of this year Hivemapper started moving to fully automated AI reviews. Some more difficult tasks are still done by humans, however you generally can no longer get approved for an AI task review account as a new contributor.

To be clear, this MIP isn’t getting rid of AI trainers, but instead it is taking the 10% of the weekly rewards that get set aside for trainers and now setting it aside as an “airdrop” category, which is grouped together as the existing Foundation Reward category. The article alludes to this reward pool being used for testing new features and accompanying rewards.

All remaining human training tasks will get rewarded out of the existing operations fund.

https://medium.com/hivemapper-foundation/map-improvement-proposal-22-mip-22-15d74f318882

MIP-23: token burn for Bee’s object model data purchases

Currently the only token burn Hivemapper supports is for Scout map credits used to spot-buy street view imagery. For the existing Scout map credit purchases Hivemapper burns 75% and 25% gets reminted as rewards for drivers who contributed to the imagery purchased. However the burns have been pretty random with June 2025 seeing 1.225M tokens burned (around $24k USD).

This MIP is introducing the same burn and reward mechanism, but for the object model and classifier information the Bee generates. So this would be a customer buying data that details object type (stop signs, traffic lights, speed limit signs, construction zones, etc) and GPS locations. Pricing detailed as

  • 20 Map Credits per 1,000 unique km

  • At $0.075 per Map Credit → $1,500 per million unique km

I believe the concept is that this type of data is data that companies who have mapping products would rebuy frequently, such as once/week. Those companies would then integrate all of the latest object data into their mapping systems so that the most efficient travel routes could be updated.

The MIP also specifies that the developer that purchases this data is then able to resell it. So for example Mapbox would buy this data to update their maps and then sell their map API data to their own customers, etc.

https://medium.com/hivemapper-foundation/map-improvement-proposal-23-mip-23-5cd8509d832d

MIP-24: the long-awaited rewards change for drivers

This is the big one that has been debated in their Discord for a while. This MIP does three key things:

  1. Specifies rewards are hex-travel based regardless of any images/object data being uploaded. This only affects the Bee.

  2. Enable night time rewards for the Bee.

  3. New “upload speed score” introduced for all rewards.

Item 1: currently rewards for Hivemapper are hex based, however the app for the old cameras reported image counts. Even if your camera captured 10 image in a single hex you ultimately got rewarded for the first image and all the other images essentially earned 0 rewards.

However for the Bee one of the main technical tasks the team implemented is that the Bee will check with their server first to determine if any data was desired for that hex, and if not it wouldn’t upload anything. When this happened the Bee didn’t receive any rewards for that hex. As a result the Bee earnings have been dismal and this has been the main complaint.

With this change the HDC and HDC-S will continue to earn as they do today, which is essentially hex based other than when these cameras lose GPS connection and don’t capture any images. However the Bee will now essentially get heartbeat rewards for any hex where no data is needed, this way the earnings of the Bee will be on-par with the older cameras, or better just due to the improved GPS performance on the Bee.

Item 2: the Bee has been mapping at night, as can be seen from data that’s being uploaded, but hadn’t not been rewarded for night mapping. Now with this MIP the Bee will continue to earn rewards at night for distance driven. The HDC and HDC-S will still be restricted to earning only during the published mapping hours.

This should help counteract MIP-21, as well as the recent decrease in region progress scores due to people not using their cameras. Night time mapping means the Bee will continue to contribute to the Coverage, Activity, and Resilience categories of the region progress score.

Item 3: the upload speed score. This had been a hot topic in their discord where Hivemapper originally indicated the LTE Bee model, using a SIM card, would earn more than the Wifi Bee model, because the LTE model with a SIM would upload data instantly and Hivemapper wants immediately fresh data. Many people complained that this didn’t make sense because either the LTE Bee could be operated in wifi mode and connected to a hotspot or cellphone for data uploads, without the need to purchase an LTE plan. Additionally the wifi model, which doesn’t support LTE, could still upload immediately via hotspot or direct phone connection.

As such Hivemapper has decided to apply this speed score to all cameras. Essentially the delay for uploading reduces your rewards, normalized to the time in a day, per second. If you via LTE or phone immediately then you essentially get full rewards. If you wait 12 hours to upload then your rewards are reduced by 50%.

It is important to note that this affects the HDC and HDC-S as well. For the HDC, which is Raspberry Pi based, the privacy processing time on an image is very long, especially when you’re actively mapping. During mapping hours and while driving the HDC is barely processing any data and it can take hours, even more than half a day, to get through all of the images stored on the camera. This essentially means when this MIP gets enabled that the HDC rewards are going to be cut by 25%-50%, depending on the driver’s behavior….and there’s nothing really that can be done since you can’t speed up the HDC processing time.

Also note that there are a couple conflicts for this speed score topic in the MIP. The MIP clearly states the scores are derated over a day, with it being possible to get a score of 0, however later in the MIP it says late images are still accepted (but not rewarded?) based on the existing cutoff times, which are weekly. So this raises the quesiton of how you can wait for more than a day to upload and still get rewarded. The question has been asked but we are waiting for a reply from Hivemapper.

https://medium.com/hivemapper-foundation/map-improvement-proposal-24-mip-24-1e8bdb131e8b

One final note, a couple of these MIPs did make reference to sunsetting the HDC and HDC-S. Although discontinuing the older cameras isn’t included in any of these MIPs it does seem likely that the next round of MIPs are going to finally kill them off and make the ecosystem entirely Bee-based.

So that’s the “quick” summary. How do people feel about the changes? Will it go well for HM? Or are they dead?

Where do you see Hivemapper going with these MIPs?

Hivemapper stays roughly where it is now
Hivemapper to the moon!
Hivemapper is dying...token <$0.01 incoming
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