@Chadodesu Not sure what’s the point of this?
@CoinChaser to spread awareness. Not a lot of people know that they can gain an additional $500 per year worth of value out of their miner. It’s to also raise the awareness to fellow developers what makes flight radar so attractive, and the fact that wingbits is currently missing those features such as a mobile app and any type of current day monetization system.
Personally, I’m a lot happier with my $500 account and ADS – B data access then my devnet, pretend Internet money wingbits rewards. But your response suggests that’s just me, I figured I was being helpful.
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@Chadodesu Hi! This is very interesting as it can help me in convincing more people on installing a geod+wbits miner on their roof. Could you expand a bit your explanation on how to expose them data? As the forum is not supporting PM (or is just me that has not find out how to use forum’s PM), have you joined moken/wbits discord channel so we can get in touch?
@Chadodesu I mean…any pre-TGE project is “pretend” money until it’s not, which is the reason why we are here.
It’s an interesting note about FR24 contributions…but technically that would help make FR24 a better product and lower the advantage of Wingsbits, which would only be detrimental to Wingbits’ business and token value 😉
@Xrave Good point but it depends on the phase of the depin project. Currently they are pre-TGE, in need of strong expansion to be considered among the reliable data providers. If I can manage to convince e.g. 10 people more in installing their antenna giving them a free access to FR worth 500$, why not use it as a leverage to scale the network? Maybe in 2/3 years the Wingbits ecosystem will take over and offer similar free access to contributors... then you can switch. Currently incentives are a bit lower to scale IMHO, but as we said, it’s only pre-TGE
@Chadodesu Interesting. Just to clarify after looking into this you tell flightradar that you can provide a coverage area. You are giving flight radar free ads-b data from your mgw310 or wb200. In turn Flight radar does not need to provide you with a free ads-b receiver and antenna, cost savings to them and in return flight radar gives you a free subscription to flightradar24 valued at $500.00 a year. Ok, this makes sense.
However, You are now providing free ads-b data that wingbits is paying you for. In a way you are undermining wingbits. I get it but it hurts wingbits and helps flightradar24. Now, it would be nice if wingbits built a free/subscription package similar to flightradar 24 that was given to wingbits operators. All that supports wingbits to grow. This would lead to real revenue growth worldwide.
Honestly, i think wingbits could penalize an operator rewards for redirecting the data to another platform. Your maximum return and payback is the growth of wingbits. You have a proprietary hex and provide a service you are getting paid for. Just remember, wingbits is new to the game. Flight radar has been around for 5+ years and had plenty of time to program their platform. I think wingbits could be better but we need to support them.
Ask wingbits what could wingbits provide the antenna operators right now as an upsell to the product we are supporting. We are a test platform. We can also test their retail products free of charge. You have all proven that we are part of the sales force to expand this network. So we would be over 5000 operators of their product they will be selling to commercial/industry/private aircraft operators. We pay nothing and wingbits writes it off as a marketing cost, but has a 5000 subscribers or more base for all the antennas installed and operating. That’s a hard marketing point that can capture business and investment interest that wingbits has a use case.
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@eye4detail all great points! I suppose I feel that once I purchase and own the hardware, I am free to do with as I wish.
This reminds me of when I would use my ASIC miners to multi-mine multiple currencies at once.
I don’t have anything against wingbits, and I am excited for the project to take off, I am simply raising awareness to for other ads-b geeks out there that want to have some fun with their equipment outside of the wingbits ecosystem.
I could easily write out a detailed tutorial that has FR24 contacts, what ports to use and what PY processes are required to be running in order to forward it, but I’m not, it’s like I originally stated, raise awareness of what the competition is in hopes of learning and growing from it. ✌️
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@Chadodesu I get it. Hacking is fun. Flight radar is a nice platform. Wouldn’t it be interesting if you could get the free ads-b from flightradar and hack that to duplicate the data and send it over to wingbits. I remember when you had to buy the ads-b receiver and port the info to flightradar for free. now they’re giving the receivers and antenna for free. that’s new to me. So they own the receivers and can turn them on and off and regulate access to their units.
You paid for the wingbits receiver you own it and it has a more open source platform that you can work with. we all want to recoup our costs quicker for the investment. I do find it interesting you can do what you described.
I”ve got the mgw310 and the wingbits side of things is so much more interesting and attractive than the boring geodnet side of things. I would think the wingbits data is more valuable. Theres little to see and do with geodnet. but with wingbits my tar1090 and graphs1090 are open all the time. Very nice detailed local flight data for 250 nm.
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@Chadodesu “I could easily write out a detailed tutorial that has FR24 contacts, what ports to use and what PY processes are required to be running in order to forward it, but I’m not”… now I’m sad hahahah :D
FlightRadar24 has built a half-billion-dollar company with a simple model: rely on tens of thousands of hobbyists to deploy ADS-B receivers — without paying them. That unpaid network fuels their ~$40M yearly revenue.
Wingbits, backed with almost $10M+ in revenue, is coming in fast!
Instead of volunteers, they incentivize us, ensuring better uptime and faster growth. They already have ~5,000 stations live, growing faster than any flight tracker in history. For comparison, FlightRadar24 sits at ~40,000, built over many years.
Given that FlightRadar24’s model has limits (coverage gaps, no incentive to expand in low-traffic areas), is it fair to think Wingbits could seize market share by covering zones competitors ignore, and eventually tap into the same $40M+/year opportunity?
They also have potential in grabbing Maritime Tracking (AIS data) which ships use much like planes ADS-B technology.
What do you all think, real disruption, or too early to call?
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Interesting side note… open FR24, click on a plane near you, look for “expand coverage here”
Fill out an application, mention you have a hyfix system.
Wait a week.
Expose your tar1090 csv feed or publish a dump1090 feed to them.
Get a free $500 /y Business account. (and possibly a free 6DBI coco antenna. ) that lets you use the app to see planes from data you provided, from anywhere.
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